In the Middle Ages a rose suspended from the ceiling of a council chamber similarly pledged all present (those under the rose) to secrecy. Paintings of roses on the ceilings of Roman banquet rooms were also a reminder that things said under the influence of wine ( sub vino) should also remain sub rosa.

Heru-pa-khered was represented as a naked youth with a finger-to-mouth gesture-in Egyptian artwork this gesture imitates the hieroglyph for child and is used to represent youth, but was misunderstood by Greeks and Romans as a gesture for silence.

The association of Harpocrates with silence and secrecy originates from a misunderstanding of Egyptian depictions of the god. Later, the Greeks and Romans translated the god's Egyptian name Heru-pa-khered as Harpocrates and regarded him as the god of silence. Secondly, in Egypt, the rose was actually sacred to Isis, but this appears to have been during the Roman period of Egyptian history-'Probably due to assimilation with the goddess Aphrodite (Venus), during the Roman period, the rose was used in her worship.' Aphrodite gave a rose to her son Eros, the god of love he, in turn, gave it to Harpocrates, the god of silence and a Greek name for a form of Horus, to ensure that his mother's indiscretions (or those of the gods in general, in other accounts) were not disclosed. Firstly, the rose's connotation of secrecy dates back also to Greek mythology. The idea of Horus being linked to the rose probably arises from Greek and Roman cultural cross-transmission of myths from Egypt. However, the gods in Egypt were usually associated with the lotus. The rose has sometimes been said to have been the emblem of the god Horus in ancient Egypt. The literal rose and its essence or attar has also played a role in religious and spiritual rites which ofttimes would have been held in secret. The rose has held a deeply symbolic significance in many times and cultures as a symbol of maternal creativity and of the yoni or feminine generative power. Here he also has a uraeus above his forehead, symbolizing his entitlement to kingship. Horus as a nude boy with his finger to his mouth, and a sidelock of hair, the symbols of childhood.

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